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The Thank You Note You Never Wanted

Two Plaintiff’s Lawyers Send You Their Best

By Anita Mazumdar Chambers and Tejal Garg

Dear Acme Corp. Compliance Department:

As the lawyers who just filed a retaliation complaint against Acme, we want to thank you for sending us another client. We think the case is a winner, and we’re grateful that you make our job so easy.

As you know, our client called your hotline to raise concerns about regulatory violations by her boss. Many companies handle such matters quickly and effectively, never requiring the employee to hire a lawyer. But like your slogan says, Acme does it differently!

We appreciate everything you did to help us here:

Your investigators offered no updates — and shared only a vague outcome at the end.

How better to suggest that your closed-door process is a sham?

After a rote acknowledgment of our client’s report, your department brushed off her requests for an update. You refused to say whether you would interview the people she suggested; or review the e-mails she forwarded; or look at the regulatory guidance she identified.

Then, at the end, you told her only that your investigation found her report to be “unsubstantiated.”

Zero details. No explanation of why her fears turned out to be unfounded. No changes to procedure, no education for managers — or at least, none that you’d share.

If not for the retaliation that followed, we wouldn’t even know that anyone at Acme read her report!

Oh, and you never thanked our client for making the report; never offered her any guidance on what to expect; never gave her the name of a contact person; and never described how to escalate her concerns.

No wonder she looked outside the company for help.

You revealed our client’s identity to her boss.

OK, maybe you never shared her actual name. But hey, you made it clear.

You asked her boss questions in such a way that the whistleblower’s identity was obvious. You quoted e-mails that were sent by her. You cited conversations where she and her boss were the only participants.

Our client saw an immediate difference in her boss’ attitude toward her: She was quickly given punitive tasks and shut out of meetings.

Our only note: If you want be even more certain that whistleblowers will hire a lawyer, try revealing their identity to more people. Why stop at their managers?

You didn’t watch out for retaliatory behavior — or follow up on reports of it.

Many compliance departments care about the retaliation that whistleblowers can face, and have solid procedures to monitor and stop such wrongdoing.

Acme does it differently!

Retaliation claims can be easy to prove in court, as any employee-side lawyer will tell you. So you really strengthened our client’s case not only by failing to shield her from reprisals, but also by ignoring her reports once the payback started.

A jury will be especially upset by your department’s complete disregard of her e-mail that flagged a big drop in her performance rating just one week after she made her hotline complaint — a punishment by her boss that paved the way for further retaliatory personnel actions.

Speaking of which …

You lost all credibility by pursuing discipline against our client.

Acme uses the same team to investigate compliance matters and disciplinary complaints. As a result, the person who was supposed to look into regulatory violations by our client’s boss also was asked to adjudge that same boss’ retaliatory claim that our client should be punished for breaking a company rule.

Not only did you fail to stop retribution against a whistleblower, in other words: You participated in it.

Compliance investigations are supposed to be conducted purely on their own terms, with the chips falling where they may. By handling a parallel H.R. matter that involved the same players — but with much different stakes — you destroyed the appearance of neutrality in either investigation.

How could our client believe that Acme was acting on her report, if its investigator also had the option to get her fired? Which action would be easier for Acme to take? Which action did it take, for that matter?

Of course she sought our counsel.

In short, you sent this client our way and gave us all the ammunition we need to win her case. Thanks! We’d prefer that Acme handled compliance properly, of course — but so long as you’re retaliating against people, we’re glad you make it so easy for them to get justice.

Our usual fruit basket is on the way.

Sincerely,
Anita Mazumdar Chambers
Tejal Garg

CC: Acme Corp. CEO

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Anita Mazumdar Chambers is a principal at The Employment Law Group, P.C. At the time of writing this article, Tejal Garg was an associate at the firm. “Acme Corp.” is an imaginary entity, but it shares characteristics with a company from which Ms. Chambers recently won a $2.4 million jury verdict for retaliation.

(Note: This version has been edited slightly from the version published by Corporate Compliance Insights.)

The Long, Hard Road of Fighting Age Bias in the Workplace

A wave of pandemic-related early retirements may be about to reverse itself. Instead of older Americans fleeing the labor force, more are expected to participate in it over the coming years. The Bureau of Labor Statistics expects nearly 40% of adults ages 65 to 69 and nearly 25% of people ages 70 to 74 will still be working by 2030, up from 33% and 19%, respectively, in 2020. Some of those workers will be returning from early retirement, continuing the prepandemic trend of Americans working past age 65.

But labor participation rates tell only part of the story. Many older Americans also face age bias in the workplace even though the Age Discrimination in Employment Act prohibits discriminating against workers 40 and older. More than 14,000 claims of age discrimination were filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in fiscal year 2020, and 78% of older workers reported seeing or experiencing age discrimination on the job, a 2021 AARP survey found.

Age discrimination benefits no one, including employers. The U.S. lost out on potentially $850 billion in economic growth in 2018 because of discrimination against older workers, says AARP. That figure could grow to $3.9 trillion by 2050. For older workers, discrimination is often devastating, but recognizing the signs and knowing your rights can be empowering. Although there are risks to fighting back and filing a complaint, “going quietly is generally not a good idea,” says Tom Harrington, a principal at the Washington, D.C.-based Employment Law Group, which handles discrimination cases nationwide.

FDIC attorney sues federal agency for gender pay discrimination

(Reuters) – A former Morgan, Lewis & Bockius attorney who now works at the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC) in San Francisco has sued the federal agency for pay discrimination, claiming she is under-compensated compared to her male counterparts.

Megan Borovicka filed a lawsuit in Washington, D.C., federal court on Friday saying she was offered a starting base salary of just over $120,000 in 2014, below the starting salaries of her male coworkers.

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In her eight years of working at the FDIC, Borovicka says she consistently had a lower base salary than all but two of her male counterparts.

She also claimed in the filing that she was subject to sexist comments from her superiors.

“We look forward to bringing these comparisons before a jury — and to seeing whether the FDIC cares to defend its bias, not to mention the offensive and discriminatory comments made to Megan by management,” said Anita Mazumdar Chambers, a principal of The Employment Law Group and one of Borovicka’s attorneys.

Keri Teal

Keri Teal is an associate attorney at The Employment Law Group® law firm. Before joining the firm in this role, Ms. Teal worked at TELG as a law clerk and later as a senior legal fellow. She specializes in whistleblower cases under the False Claims Act.

Ms. Teal graduated cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in psychology from the University of Central Oklahoma in 2008 before earning her law degree from Stetson University College of Law in 2023, where she ranked second in her class. During her time at Stetson, she served as a senior associate on the Stetson Law Review and as president of Stetson’s Advocates for Health Law organization.

Outside of her professional endeavors, Ms. Teal cherishes moments spent with her family and their Labrador retriever.

*Admitted in Florida only. Practice limited to before federal courts and before certain federal agencies.

Whistleblower Attorneys Are Looking Beyond Safety Law Boundaries

Complaints about what appear to be OSHA health and safety rule violations could morph into violations of an entirely different nature, such as civil rights, environmental, or financial regulations, say attorneys representing employees in workplace retaliation cases.

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Nicholas Woodfield, a principal with The Employment Law Group P.C. in Washington, prefers not to call what he does “creative litigation.”

“I would call it testing the limits of the law,” Woodfield said. “If the law says something and I can use it for an unanticipated result, but it’s clearly within the law, then I’ve just expanded the law.”

The difficulty with the OSH Act whistleblower claims is that they must be filed within 30 days of the employer’s retaliatory action and OSHA retains control of the investigation and decisions on whether the worker has a valid claim, the attorneys said.

Filoromo and Woodfield said safety cases may cross into other whistleblower laws such as clean air and clean water and a financial regulation—the Sarbanes Oxley Act—that allow more time for developing and filing a complaint, the option of going to federal court, and being represented by private counsel.

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When a worker comes to him with retaliation fears, Woodfield said he advises the worker to make it clear to supervisors the concerns being raised and to start documenting with notes and records the actions taken that are protected by whistleblower laws.

“We have them engage in a protected activity,” Woodfield said.

$312,000 Verdict in Prince George’s Discrimination Case

UPPER MARLBORO, Md. (May 16, 2022) — A Maryland jury today held that the Prince George’s County Memorial Library System acted illegally when it fired its human resources director in 2019. It awarded Jeffrey Naftal more than $300,000 in damages.

The six-person jury found that Mr. Naftal’s firing violated both the Maryland Fair Employment Practices Act and the Prince George’s County Code, discriminating against him based on his age, sex, and race.

Mr. Naftal is represented by The Employment Law Group® law firm.

In the three years prior to his termination, Mr. Naftal had never been disciplined or received negative evaluations. Despite a library practice that requires step-by-step or “progressive” discipline — and a county code that allows firing only for a few specific reasons — the library’s CEO dismissed Mr. Naftal without warning after he recommended the suspension of an employee with attendance problems.

“Jeff is a highly competent public servant who was just doing his job,” said R. Scott Oswald, managing principal of The Employment Law Group, who served as Mr. Naftal’s lead lawyer at trial. “We are grateful that this jury recognized that. Discrimination is discrimination, period.”

2024 UPDATE: The Prince George’s County Memorial Library System appealed the jury’s verdict to the Appellate Court of Maryland, which vacated the judgment and remanded the case for a second trial. The parties resolved the matter before the new trial was scheduled.

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Case Information

Naftal v. Prince George’s County Memorial Library System
Case No. CAL19-26429
Circuit Court for Prince George’s County, Maryland
Complaint filed on August 8, 2019 (available here)

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About The Employment Law Group

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How to Avoid or Dispute an Unfair NPDB Report

A Guide for Doctors and Other Medical Professionals

By Tom Harrington and Madeline Cook


IMPORTANT: The following article is intended as a general summary of facts and law and not as individual legal advice upon which you should rely or act. Every case is unique and specific. This article represents our firm’s best knowledge as of May 2022.


If you’re a licensed healthcare professional, you likely know about — and have a healthy fear of — the National Practitioner Data Bank. The NPDB is a federal clearinghouse for negative reports about doctors and other practitioners; getting named there can make you unemployable across the United States.

Hospitals and other entities must report certain adverse actions to the NPDB, including any revocation or suspension of a physician’s clinical privileges that lasts more than 30 days. The NPDB received more than 66,000 negative reports last year, and it responded to more than 10.6 million queries from employers, licensing bodies, professional societies, and the like. The database currently contains more than 1.6 million negative reports.

The NPDB exists for an important reason: to protect patients from bad medicine. During an employment dispute, however, it can be used unfairly. The threat of a disciplinary action that will trigger an NPDB report is a heavy cudgel against an employee — and if an NPDB report is filed for discriminatory or retaliatory reasons, it may be illegal.

How can you prevent, or even expunge, an unfair NPDB report against you? The key is to act quickly. Because the stakes are high, we recommend consulting with an experienced attorney as soon as you realize such an outcome is possible. Even without legal help, however, you have options.

In this article we outline steps you can take at three different stages:

  • Before a disciplinary action is imposed;
  • After the action is imposed, but before it’s reported to the NPDB; and
  • After the action has been reported to the NPDB.

For simplicity, we will focus on a single scenario: the suspension of a physician’s clinical privileges for 45 days by a direct employer — specifically, by a hospital that must report the suspension to the NPDB. Such an action is likely reportable to a state licensing board and other bodies, too; the steps to avoid that outcome are similar.

We’re assuming here that the discipline is unjustified: that the accusation is trumped-up and your employer’s true motive is either discriminatory (targeting an older doctor to make room for a younger hire, for instance) or retaliatory (a reaction to your complaints about their Medicare billing practices, for instance).

As an aside: Sometimes a suspension might seem valid but still have been imposed in a discriminatory or retaliatory manner — so that you are punished but a colleague isn’t, for example, even though they did the same thing. An attorney may help you make that case.

But if you’re simply looking to avoid the consequences of your own failings, this article isn’t for you.

STAGE 1: BEFORE DISCIPLINE IS IMPOSED

The procedure to revoke or suspend a physician’s clinical privileges is governed by the Health Care Quality Improvement Act (HCQIA). In general terms, your hospital must give you adequate notice of proposed discipline; must allow you to request a hearing before imposing such discipline; must make a “reasonable effort” to get the facts; and must make a reasonable connection between those facts and the discipline it imposes. Its overall goal must be to promote “quality health care.”

Within these guardrails, hospitals may set their own rules, which often are found in the owner corporation’s bylaws. A lot of employers start with a behind-the-scenes investigation, notifying their physicians of a proposed disciplinary action only after they’ve reached a preliminary decision. As a result, the hearing that follows is basically an appeal — and your first chance to defend yourself in a meaningful way.

Like many lawyers, we believe such a front-loaded process is tilted against doctors, leaving them to play catch-up. Unfortunately, it is common.

If you request a hearing (which you should), the HCQIA requires it to take place before an independent intermediary, often an arbitrator or review board. You have certain rights: you can be represented by legal counsel, for instance; you will receive a statement of all charges against you; you can present your own evidence; you can call, examine, and cross-examine witnesses; and you can have a record made of the proceedings.

You should exercise all of these rights, ideally with the aid of an experienced lawyer. At the close of the hearing you may submit a written statement, which should restate your core arguments and evidence. If you can do it credibly, you should propose that you receive no suspension at all — or, at worst, a suspension that doesn’t require NPDB reporting.

Once a decision is made to finalize your suspension (or not), you have the right to receive the decision-maker’s explanation in writing.

Each hospital handles this process a bit differently, so you should study your employer’s bylaws and other documentation carefully. Pay strict attention to deadlines and don’t waive any rights by failing to act in a timely manner.

So what should you argue at your hearing?

First, you should present evidence that rebuts all charges of professional misconduct or incompetence. The best evidence is often the well-informed opinion of your peers — not only because they know your work and the relevant professional standards, but because their support shows your hospital what to expect in a courtroom, should your dispute end up there.

And second, if you believe that you’re being discriminated or retaliated against, now is the time to raise this concern, even if you haven’t previously flagged it to your employer. At a minimum, your narrative will help to frame the consideration of the decision-maker.

For example, in Levitin v. Northwest Community Hospital, 64 F. Supp. 3d 1107 (N.D. Ill. 2014), a hospital targeted the privileges of a female, Jewish surgeon of Russian descent after she complained about harassment based on these protected characteristics. The review committee took prominent note of the doctor’s harassment reports, among other problems and conflicts, and urged that her privileges not be reduced in any way.

One panel member described the surgeon’s purported errors as “typical clinical issues” that didn’t merit discipline at all — let alone “draconian … measures.”

(Our firm was not involved in the case.)

Depending on the facts, you may want to start litigating your discrimination or retaliation claims even as you cooperate in a hearing that threatens your clinical privileges. One consideration: Is the proposed suspension the only concrete action that’s been taken against you so far? Based on the law you intend to invoke, and on your location in the country, you may face different requirements for what previous events “count” as adverse — and different deadlines for legal action. But in general, filing a complaint could allow you to request an injunction and maybe stop the current hearing in its tracks.

We’ll talk more about injunctive relief below. In our opinion, you shouldn’t seek such action without the advice of an attorney.

Meanwhile, you or your attorney also should explore other, less dire options with your employer. Maybe you could stomach a shorter, non-reportable suspension, for example, or offer to get some extra education that would address your hospital’s issues.

Your discipline may be more negotiable than you imagine, and an early agreement (perhaps via voluntary mediation) will save time and money for both sides.

STAGE 2: AFTER DISCIPLINE IS IMPOSED, BUT BEFORE IT’S REPORTED

Let’s say your hearing is over and a 45-day suspension of privileges has been finalized. Your priority now is to prevent a career-damaging report to the NPDB. If you haven’t done it already, this likely means finding a lawyer, starting a legal action, and asking a court to put your discipline on hold.

You should have at least 30 days to get such an order: Based on NPDB guidance, your employer may report you only after a suspension has already run for 30 days.

Two main arguments can support legal action at this stage:

  • My discipline didn’t follow the due-process requirements of the HCQIA; and/or
  • My discipline was discriminatory or retaliatory, in violation of federal, state, or local law.

The due-process argument applies if your employer skipped steps or denied you certain rights — by blocking your access to a key witness, for example, or denying access to information about patient outcomes. Such facts might help to invalidate your suspension unless the hospital convinces a judge that extraordinary circumstances applied, like an imminent risk to patient safety.

The discrimination or retaliation argument, meanwhile, could arise under several laws: if your supervisor triggered the discipline process shortly after learning you are gay, for instance, or because of your age, race, disability or another protected characteristic — or if the investigation began shortly after you engaged in a protected activity such as requesting medical leave, complaining about discrimination, or reporting certain types of fraud.

Depending on where you live and work, you may find the broadest protection under state or local laws. As an example, it’s illegal to discriminate against employees in Washington, D.C. based on personal appearance or political affiliation — categories that aren’t protected under federal law.

As long as you make a viable argument here, you can ask a judge to issue an order to stop your employer from suspending your privileges and reporting the action to the NPDB and other bodies. If granted, such an order would likely remain in effect until you finish litigating the validity of your suspension.

In general, courts offer temporary injunctive relief only when four conditions are met. We’ll deal with them one by one.

First, the requested order must prevent an irreparable injury.

In our experience, judges understand the career devastation caused by an NPDB-reportable suspension. Many medical employers are required to check the NPDB when making initial hiring decisions, and regularly after that. Suspensions often are reported to your state licensing board, too — and in any case, the licensing board of every state has access to the NPDB. Depending on the reason for your suspension, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency and other bodies may also be alerted.

Being listed in the NPDB, in short, is a calamitous event. Various federal district courts have held that it can cause irreparable harm to a physician.

As a second factor, the potential harm to the hospital from complying with a restraining order can’t outweigh the potential harm of a suspension to the doctor.

Our firm has successfully argued that the hospital’s main risk here is monetary — continuing to pay a salary that might otherwise be suspended, for instance. Many judges view monetary harm as wholly reversible via litigation; it doesn’t usually outweigh irreversible career damage.

Third, the proposed order shouldn’t be against the public interest. This one can be tricky and is highly fact-specific. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that preserving the rights of victims of wrongful employment actions is a public good, but that the benefit must be balanced against concerns such as public safety.

In opposing an injunction, you can expect your hospital to argue that it needs to suspend your privileges to protect its patients or staff. If it has proof that you’ve caused actual harm to anyone, this argument could be difficult to overcome. But if the harm is purely theoretical or a matter of medical debate, you may prevail.

Meanwhile, if you were suspended for non-safety-related concerns such as poor billing practices, you should have an even easier time meeting the public-interest test — again, depending on the facts.

Finally, a judge must conclude that your underlying case has a substantial likelihood of success on its merits.

In other words, if you claim that the true reason for your suspension is retaliation, then your pleadings must contain enough credible facts that, in combination with the specific anti-retaliation laws you invoke, a judge can see how you’d win your case.

This obviously depends on the specifics of your situation. It also rides on the legal analysis, drafting ability, and possibly oral arguments of your attorney.

As an example, one of our firm’s clients, a doctor of internal medicine at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, lost her privileges, was removed from her Chief of Staff position, and faced a termination she believed was retaliatory: The discipline had happened after she flagged improper practices at her VA facility.

In a Zoom hearing in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, we asked an administrative judge to stay her firing — and he found, based on the evidence and pleadings, “a substantial likelihood that [our client] will be able to demonstrate that her whistleblowing activities were a contributing factor in certain personnel actions taken against her.”

Not only did the judge order that our client couldn’t be fired until her case was resolved — he ordered that she be retroactively restored, with back pay, to her position as Chief of Staff while the case played out.

All cases are unique, of course. If you fail to win an injunction, your suspension will proceed and you’ll be reported to the NPDB. Your attention will turn to getting this action overturned, if that is possible.

One extra note: In addition to seeking an injunction, or perhaps as an alternative, you can try to negotiate the wording of a report to the NPDB so that it’s not as damaging. It’s not the same as preventing a report — but it may be your only practical option.

STAGE 3: AFTER AN ACTION HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE NPDB

Once an adverse action has been recorded in the NPDB, it is very difficult to expunge. By this point, you’ll already have served at least 30 days of your suspension, so any action must apply retroactively. Your ideal outcome is a “void” or complete removal, but a void can be requested only by the entity that filed the report — the hospital that suspended your privileges, in our example — and only for a narrow set of reasons. Plus, even if your report is voided, you’ll have suffered reputational harm along the way.

Before we get there, though, let’s talk about a lesser option: the NPDB’s dispute process.

If you disagree with the accuracy of the report your hospital filed with the NPDB, you can dispute it and add a supplemental statement of up to 4,000 words. Whoever sees your record will also see your side of the story.

However, the NPDB says its dispute process can ultimately resolve only three questions — none of which addresses the justice you received from your hospital. Specifically, you can dispute:

  • Whether the report was submitted in accordance with NPDB’s reporting requirements and eligibility rules;
  • Whether the report accurately depicts the adverse action as it is reflected in the written record provided by the reporting entity; and
  • Whether the basis for the adverse action is reflected in the written record provided by the reporting entity.

In short, did your reporting entity get all its paperwork right?

Disputing a NPDB report doesn’t automatically trigger any action. It just starts a 60-day period during which you’re supposed to work with your hospital, or whomever, to fix the problem. After that period ends, you must formally request escalation at the NPDB — where the most likely outcomes range from no action to a correction.

(We’re assuming that if the adverse action wasn’t reportable in the first place, you’d have prevented it at an earlier stage.)

If the dispute process doesn’t end to your satisfaction, you may be able to proceed in federal court under the Administrative Procedures Act, but your upside is limited. None of this means that you shouldn’t dispute an NPDB report; you just shouldn’t expect a great outcome.

In parallel, meanwhile, you should try to get your hospital to void its NPDB report — that is, withdraw it entirely. Voiding a report removes it from your disclosable record. The NPDB notifies everyone who queried your report in the past three years and tells them to destroy any copies. It also notifies the appropriate state licensing bodies.

Reports can be voided if they were filed in error; if they didn’t meet reporting requirements; or if the underlying action was overturned. As a practical matter, you’ll likely focus on the second or third reason, which means you’ll need to get the hospital to reduce or eliminate your suspension retroactively.

(Reports also can be corrected for errors or revised based on a change in the underlying action. That may help your reputation, but not by much.)

Assuming you started to litigate your case during Stage 2, above, you should insist that any settlement include a retroactive change to your discipline that knocks it below the NPDB’s reporting threshold, so the hospital can void its report.

Can you achieve this? It depends on the merits of your case. Plus, even if you have strong claims of discrimination or retaliation, your hospital may not get serious about negotiating until the eve of a trial — so you should be prepared for a long, draining fight. But your professional career is at stake; many doctors will view the cost as a worthwhile investment.

If you can’t reach a settlement, either a judge or a jury will decide whether your suspension was legal based on the law you have invoked. A favorable outcome will overturn your suspension and your hospital will void its NPDB report.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

In this article we’ve described a fairly straightforward scenario. In particular, as employment lawyers, we’ve assumed that you, the medical professional, are directly employed by the organization that is suspending or revoking your clinical privileges.

If you’re an independent contractor, however, you may have fewer legal options — and if your dispute is with your insurance carrier, which also must make reports to the NPDB, or with a professional licensing board, you may have a completely different set of concerns.

But no matter your situation, two basic rules apply.

First, when faced with the possibility of an unfair NPDB report, you must act immediately in your own defense. As with a serious medical condition, early action is better than later remediation.

And second, you should consult an experienced attorney early in the process — just as you’d recommend patients should consult a specialist.

Your prognosis could be better than you fear.

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Tom Harrington is a former principal at The Employment Law Group, P.C. At the time of publication, Madeline Cook was an associate at the firm.

When and Why You Might Need an Attorney

(Transcribed and lightly edited by The Employment Law Group)

Introduction Voiceover: The FedUpward podcast, a place for federal employees and friends of feds to find strategies and tactics to navigate everyday problems.

Love Rutledge (Host): Hi folks, this is Love Rutledge, host of the FedUpward podcast, and I’m here today with Mr. Michael Vogelsang, a principal at The Employment Law Group in Washington, D.C., where he frequently handles cases that involve whistleblower retaliation, employment discrimination, wrongful termination, and other workplace claims. He specializes in support to federal employees. He has a lot of experience in that area, and I invited him on the show so that he could talk about the reasons why you might need to retain someone with his expertise and give him an opportunity to talk about the kinds of services he offers.

Hi, Michael. Thanks for being here today.

Michael Vogelsang, Jr.: Good afternoon, thank you for having me, Love.

Rutledge: So first, I’ll start with what your law firm does in general and how you serve federal clients.

Vogelsang: Sure, so The Employment Law Group: We specialize in employment law, specifically representing employees. This includes private sector, but it also does include a lot of federal sector employees.

For federal sector employees, we assist our clients with the full gamut of issues that generally could arise. This could be responding to a notice of proposed action, initiating contact with your agency’s EEO or Equal Employment Opportunity Office, submitting a formal EEO complaint, representation in front of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) or U.S. District Court, if you go that route.

We have also drafted and submitted whistleblower complaints to the Office of Special Counsel or OSC and done whistleblower or removal appeals to the Merit Systems Protection Board or MSPB. We even have experience in intelligence community whistleblower complaints, which is done differently from the MSPB or OSC process. It’s done under the Presidential Policy Directive, PPD-19.

So pretty much anything from the alpha to the omega of federal employment issues, we can and have handled.

Rutledge: Great, thank you so much for that overview, and I want to say, of course, nobody wants to be in a position where they’re calling someone like Michael, right? But when you need folks like this, you really need them, and his firm is one of many. So, I want to be clear that there are different attorneys and groups in the D.C. area and all over the country that do this kind of work, but again, Michael popped up when I did a search online as being someone with a lot of experience in this area. So, I’m not personally giving any legal advice. I want to be clear about that.

Moving on, Michael, can you tell us a little bit more about the whistleblower representation that you’ve done because I think that’s something that’s really interesting and certainly pertinent in recent months in terms of what’s been going on with congressional inquiries and then now in this uncertain time of COVID-19 and all the legal ramifications of decisions being made right now.

Can you tell us how your services are relevant and what kind of support you provide specifically in those kinds of cases?

Vogelsang: Yes, of course. One thing to keep in mind is that whistleblower reprisals or whistleblower claims have a multi-step process, and so, it can be confusing to make sure you lay the process up in the right sequence.

First, you do have to have a disclosure. You do have to disclose a violation of a law, rule, or regulation or gross waste or gross mismanagement or a danger to public safety. There is a limitation as to what categories qualify as whistleblowing. So, a firm like mine is able to provide services to craft those disclosures at the very beginning to help make sure it hits the right legal elements and hits the right buzz words, if you will, to qualify as a disclosure.

But before you even get to any kind of litigation – and the MSPB is where most litigation for whistleblowers occurs – you do have to go to the Office of Special Counsel first, so the OSC. They do have exclusive jurisdiction for 120 days to look at these complaints first. My firm also does draft those complaints and help represent employees in the OSC process before even getting to litigation in the MSPB.

So, it really is a three-step process, if you will: You have to disclose something, something has to happen to you that you feel retaliation; you then have to go to the OSC; and then you have to go after that to the MSPB where actual litigation – you’re talking depositions, motions, hearings – happens.

I know it gets a little bit into the weeds, but for our intelligence community employees, there is a separate process that is always housed within the intelligence community agency, and by IC, I’m referring to FBI, CIA, or other subcomponents of agencies that deal with national security. They have a whole separate cadre of policies they would have to follow under PPD-19, and we do have experience with that as well.

Rutledge: So, what I’m hearing you say is that before you even start the process, it’s wise to get the advice of counsel from someone like you who’s been through it so that you don’t have any missteps from the very beginning.

If someone is contemplating initiating the process before they file any paperwork, should they find a professional like you to help them craft it? It sounds like that’s what you were just discussing.

Vogelsang: I would recommend it. I don’t want to come off self-interested. It’s not required. There’s no statute or rule or law that requires that, but in my experience with discussing matters with the OSC and MSPB, they’re always looking for a particular thing.

It’s always worth knowing that the investigator from the OSC who will look at your complaint first is an attorney. The Merit Systems Protection Board judge who will be reviewing your case was once an attorney. So, you are going to have to represent your claims, or the employee will have to represent their claims to someone who either is or was an attorney. Having an attorney help outline what did you say, when did you say it, why was what you said a violation of law or danger to public safety, and what happened thereafter will help craft the who, what, when, where, and why that the OSC and the MSPB looks for.

I will say I have taken cases that were initiated by an employee in the MSPB, and I will say some of our first steps from an attorney perspective is, “Let’s recraft where we started to make it fit the elements and go from there.” So, yes, it is advantageous to have an attorney giving you advice at the beginning because there may be a step you miss or a nuance very specific to your case that could help it or, if overlooked, could be a problem down the road.

Rutledge: Just like everything else in the federal government, it’s all about process and timelines, right? So, getting it right from the beginning is super important.

Can you tell me how the type of federal employment an individual falls under – like accepted service or a political or an SES – may or may not impact the kinds of processes that they would go through either on whistleblower protections or EEO complaints or discrimination and bias cases? What bearing does the type of employee you are have on these types of cases?

Vogelsang: That’s a great question. The type of employee is very important to whistleblowing and discrimination cases. My joke is usually, “for every rule, there is an exception, and for every exception, there are three corollaries to that exception.” And federal government employee status is no different when it comes to how to navigate the rules. It would probably take much longer than a 20-minute podcast to go through all the exceptions, but I can give you some high-level exceptions that come up.

One of the big ones is accepted service as opposed to competitive service. There are some rules for complaints or appeals, if you will, to the Merit Systems Protection Board of adverse action if you’re in the accepted service. The primary hurdle is that you must be in your position for at least two years. That is the traditional requirement.

Political appointees are a very, very mixed bag. It’s hard to get into because it depends upon what the position is.

Senior executive service: They do have similar rights to competitive service employees, but the elements are different. For your traditional competitive service employee, if you’re talking about removal for example, you’re talking about efficiency of the service and/or performance. Were the proper steps taken? For SES, the elements are a little bit more stringent, and the management has more oversight.

Other areas that come up a lot is if we have any Veteran Affairs employees, especially nurses and doctors. They tend to fall under what’s called Title 38, which is a separate pay scale. If you’re a doctor or a nurse for the VA or sometimes NIH, those employees don’t have direct appeal rights to the MSPB, for example, of removal action, so they would have to go through the discrimination process through the EEO or the whistleblower process with the OSC. There would not be direct appeal rights as a Title 38 employee.

Probationary employees: If you’re within the first one to two years of your employment in a competitive service realm, you also don’t have direct appeal rights to the MSPB, and your rights are limited to marital status, political affiliation, and suitability issues. So, it does really change where you are, but I will say, the traditional competitive service employee has 45 days to initiate contact for a EEO case or, if it’s whistleblowing, there actually isn’t a statute of limitations to go to the OSC.

And so that’s a high-level view of some of the specific nuances. There are always many, and it’s for that reason that hiring an attorney can be helpful to navigate how your employment status impacts which route you can go and even which routes are cut off.

Rutledge: Perfect. Is there anything in particular that folks who are in federal law enforcement should think about?

Vogelsang: For federal law enforcement – especially if you have a security clearance – you always have to understand that anything you say, any complaint you raise, if it is any indication toward your suitability or your fitness for duty, it is still within the agency’s right to look into suitability or fitness for duty irrespective of the fact that you’re blowing the whistle or making an EEO complaint.

It is very important to be careful as to what type of information you disclose, especially about yourself, because you do not want to put your security clearance or your fitness for duty in question. So, that is one thing to keep in mind.

Rutledge: That’s great advice. Thank you for that, Michael. Another question I have for you, given all the crazy and unusual things that are going on right now across the federal government in the medical community and law enforcement and all kinds of agencies and departments associated with COVID-19 response: Do you have any advice for folks who are making some really tough decisions right now and might be facing some unusual circumstances in terms of how to document anything that’s coming up or what kind of questions they should be asking so that they protect themselves?

Vogelsang: Well, one thing I will state – a plug for OPM, if you will – OPM has, I think, a pamphlet almost every other week about the government’s position on COVID-19 and how it impacts your workplace. So, if you do go to OPM’s website, they have a page dedicated to COVID-19 that talks about how to address certain things.

One thing I would advise to keep in mind is that technically, as we sit today, especially in the D.C. area, the government is technically open. It is open, and it is running, and so, if you have a telework agreement, then you can work telework with your supervisor’s approval. If you don’t, then you are expected to work.

And when you’re working or teleworking from home, a lot of the policies that OPM is putting out has to do with being able to record the work that you’re doing. If you’re taking care of a child, for example, make sure that you don’t bill the government for that time. If you are symptomatic, then you need to take leave or sick leave for that time. This is not administrative leave or weather leave or sort of emergency leave unless your particular agency evacuates you or tells you we are officially closed. Then, the type of administrative or weather leave rights trigger. But again, if you’re telework-able and you can work, then you wouldn’t be able to take that administrative or emergency pay.

So, it’s very important to keep in mind when you’re working: can you work and if you yourself or your agency was evacuated versus you just being at high-risk or high-exposure to COVID-19. So, my recommendation is to read what OPM has put out because they have at least a handful of Q&A’s on this but keep track of when you’re working. Make sure that there is evidence that you are working because what you don’t want to have happen is supervisors coming in and looking at your work product and saying, “you didn’t work enough time,” or “you had children at home, we’re going to end up docking your leave, we’re going to end up making you take leave or leave without pay.”

Documenting the work that you are doing is probably the best prophylactic for that.

Rutledge: That is super good advice for everybody right now, whether you’re a federal government or even contractor supporting the government, that that documentation is critical. That when we get to the backside of this, hopefully sooner rather than later, we all have what we need to keep our leave intact to the maximum extent possible. Any other suggested questions you think we should be asking our supervisors if, for example, telework policies aren’t clear or there’s confusion in the office about who needs to come in and who doesn’t.

Vogelsang: I would suggest open communication with your supervisors. At the end of the day, your supervisor’s going to be the one who would likely initiate any action if there were one to be initiated. If you have an email or a memo from your supervisor saying yes, you can telework, or no, you can’t, then that also will help you when you come back in following the instructions of your supervisor. At the end of the day, if you follow the direction of your supervisor, that is what is foundationally the most important.

But yes, I would say if you’re unclear about if you can telework, always ask your supervisor. If you have your direct HR contact, do so. I know one thing I was reading that comes up is the approved location for telework. You have to have an approved location in your telework agreement in order to do your telework. You’re not supposed to just pick up and go somewhere else and telework from there. I was going to say, “if you’re going to Starbucks,” but Starbucks is closed now, but if you’re going to some other remote location to telework, and it’s not approved, that can be a problem. So, if you are at all teleworking and something happens, let’s say your kids are home and you can’t work or your spouse actually is tested positive for COVID-19 and you want to separate to give yourself and your children some space, then you would want to work with your supervisor. “Can I have an ad-hoc alternative work location approved because I need to change my current location?”

And so, one thing to keep in mind is that the telework agreement that you already have in place or should’ve had in place before going to telework is going to rule the proprieties of what you’re doing during this time period. The corollary to it is your supervisor does have discretion, and that’s one thing that is a theme, if you will, in OPM’s Q&As: With this ever shifting fluid nature, agencies have discretion. Your supervisor does have discretion. You get your supervisor on board; I would say the chances of anything negative in the future are greatly diminished.

Rutledge: So many things to think about, so many things I certainly would have never thought about had you not brought them up. Michael, thank you so much for all this advice. Great food for thought for federal employees who are working uncertain times.

Michael, if folks want to get in touch with you or they have an issue that they want to discuss with an attorney, how can they find you?

Vogelsang: Our webpage is the easiest place. We are employmentlawgroup.com. We also have an 800 number or 888 number, which is 888-826-5260, and again, we are The Employment Law Group. We are here in downtown D.C. – Farragut Square to be specific – and we do have either phone lines or online chat available 24/7 for potential clients.

Rutledge: Fantastic. Michael, again, thank you so much for your time today, and I appreciate everything that you do for federal employees.

Vogelsang: Thank you very much.

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